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Damn, this would have been a good argument for the US to fund Ukrainian long-distance operations, had Russia not been so far behind in the AI race already.
petcat
USA provides extensive engineering support and technology transfer for Ukraine's domestic development of long-range missiles. Basically everything short of just giving them Tomahawks. Ukraine's defense industry capabilities didn't develop so rapidly for no reason.

And the quality of targeting is almost entirely because of extensive USA intelligence sharing:

> According to American and Ukrainian officials familiar with the operations:

> Ukraine selects targets, although American intelligence reportedly also helps identify high-priority facilities.

> The US identifies vulnerabilities at Russian energy installations.

> American intelligence assists with mission planning, including routes, altitude, and timing to help Ukrainian drones evade Russian air defenses.

> US involvement extends across multiple stages of planning, according to three people familiar with the operations.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/us-intelligence-helps-u...

How effective are the western embargos? Will it be possible for them to replace destroyed hardware?
China is not part of the embargo, so I suspect commodity server and networking hardware isn't hard to come by.
Computers aint cheap right now off the shelf. Can't imagine the embargo busting surcharge.
I use ARM VPSes for quite some time and they are pretty performant. They don't have to replace with x86 systems. Linux on ARM is pretty mature and production ready at this point.
New Startup idea - private anti-air batteries for data centers
Unironically could be a legit business model.

Not just for datacenters either - warehouses, refineries, power stations, you could sell to anybody with a building full of expensive stuff.

I don't think it issue is selling in the current climate, producing seems like the major roadblock. If Russia, the supposed number one in air defence can't even protect their military bases, ramping up production might be hard.
In some countries maybe, but in west where all the valuable infrastructure is there is absolutely no way you could get a permit to shoot down anything.
jcfrei
believe it or not but legislation can change pretty quickly when shit actually hits the fan
rithdmc
I'm waiting for someone to try the self defense angle :)
Obviously your biggest customers would be in active warzones, or areas worried about soon becoming warzones.

Drone attacks on US soil are (hopefully!) not happening anytime soon.

Oil tankers..
delecti
I'm extremely surprised that isn't already a thing. I'm similarly surprised that all the datacenters which get press for the negative impact on the surrounding communities have remained untouched.
It is, or at least it's expected that Russian companies get their own air defense:

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2026/05/28/russia-lets-privat...

odiroot
Sounds like Snow Crash becoming slowly a reality.
There surely is a point where it's cheaper and safer to bury them underground.

I'd invest in digging equipment for the next war.

clan
Look up the capabilities of GBU-28 and other Bunker Busters first.
The current crop of "cruise missiles" are cheap and low penetration. Burying things is not 100% safe, but it certainly increases the attack difficulty.
jcfrei
to use a GBU-28 or similar you need to establish air superiority first
These are a lot more expensive and difficult to deploy. They weigh several tons. You can't just strap one to a $200 quadcopter and fly it over.
numpad0
[delayed]
"Silo"
rithdmc
Cyberbunker was shut down too soon.
The last thing we need is more Silicon Valley funded military startups. This means the ecosystem is now profiting off of war, suffering, war crimes, and human death. What we need is startups focusing on peace and diplomacy. That solves way more problems in a net positive manner.
Arubis
The irony of your username is not lost on me.

That said, I’m in agreement in principle. A lot of what you’re asking for is statecraft, and doing that with a profit model is brittle to corruption. But I’d greatly prefer to see folks trying to build things on hope then on bloodshed.

What do you suggest for Ukraine? What's their alternative if they don't want to be forced to become a Belarus?
You can always exhaust anti air defenses faster than they can defend if sufficiently prepared. Decoys help, just as you would with an intercontinental ballistic missile. Defender has to succeed 100% of the time, attacker needs to succeed once.

If your strategy assumes you can succeed against Iron Dome (which, I argue, is the state of the art for available air defense system), you should always be able to win as an attacker. Just have to test defenses ahead of time to understand level of effort required.

https://missilethreat.csis.org/countermeasures-penetration-a...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Dome

More DCs are than obviously required for the battery stores that these lasers turrets will shoot. Obelisks from Command and Conquer pinned to the roof of the DC would be amusing although personally I prefer prism towers.
The fundamental challenge is that it will never be economically feasible to provide the necessary defense hardware at scale. Iran beat back the US military (“most powerful military in the world” quote unquote) and Ukraine Russia’s military on a shoestring budget. You can protect some targets some or most of the time, you cannot protect all potential targets all of the time.

If someone wants to take out a data center, they will likely succeed assuming they have the resources (probably military drones, but perhaps more traditional ballistic artillery). The world has become a more dangerous, volatile, and unpredictable place, for gestures broadly at everything reasons.

(thoughts, opinions, and threat model always my own)

Russia recently ordered corporations to start funding their own air defense.
tokai
Russian companies have had mercenaries of different kinds for some time now. Im sure Redut has anti air batteries.
Much of this was taken back into government control after Wagner shot down government helicopters and a plane.
tokai
No, only Wagner. Redut is controlled by GRU, but its not financed by the russian state. And beside fighting in Ukrain they still provide security for the russian oil industry. Like how US mercenaries in Iraq and Afghanistan took orders from MOD, while being private entries.
yolp5
I saw a video the other day advertising AI-powered a anti-air/dronr gun. Seems to be part of a defense trade show, but also seemed to indicate that it was available to certain "qualified" citizens, but I'm not sure what that means exactly
Wouldn't work. They would just send enough drones to overwhelm it or run it out of ammos or Russia out of money. This is the lesson we are learning the hard way in the Middle East.
New Startup idea - railgun that launches dictators and fascists into the sun.
Kickstarter? I'll contribute.
Giant leap for mankind
klvino
Releasing drone swarms wrapping in chaff with IR lamps or laser diodes to account for different guidance methods. They cluster around predicted trajectory. Could be more cost effective than a Patriot battery
numpad0
MTCR, ITAR, EAR, NFA ...

The US State Department will throw everything at you if you dare tried to build or possess your own guided guns and rockets, even if you were not from or in the US - because there was a US ally that exported a near-orbital solid motor sounding rocket to a Balkan nation with full factory setup and manufacturing training services without asking anybody in particular, which resulted in the recipient nation achieving prototype production and successful live fire tests of an indigenous surface to air missile system comparable to Soviet S-75 strategic SAM that was eventually selected.

If it weren't for those pile of laws and leverages... building a SAM was doable since 1950s.

arpinum
Seems like a mistake to stagger these hits, doing both in the same hour could have taken out backups before they had a chance to replicate elsewhere.
Taking out GPUs is more important than storage nowdays.
Replacing the RAM is going to be expensive
SXX
Russia dont have that many large datacenters and replacing them is both damn hard and expensive.

Also unlike in Ukraine local organizations are required to run on infrastructure inside country by law and even major peering points are very centralises. Connections between Russia and other countries are even more centralised.

So it doesnt matter in what order datacenters going to be destroyed. Ukraine just need to take down enough of them.

bbor
To be clear, it seems like two different datacenters, and the first attack alone seems to have been wildly successful already, burning down ~1/3rd of the entire building (!!!). Some of the reported outages:

  The most serious disruptions were reported in Moscow and St. Petersburg, where users also experienced problems with T-Bank, internet provider SkyNet, and the Mango Office cloud service... Yandex Disk, Yandex Documents, and other company services... online bus-ticket sales in the Moscow region [via] MosTransAvto... Several major Russian media websites, including RBC, RIA Novosti, Kommersant, Vedomosti, Interfax, and Vesti... Russian Railways...
And all that's before this attack. We'll see what the extent is, I guess.

So I'd say the goal here is to intimidate and/or inconvenience the Russian public and general economy, which is the main way they'll advance a war against a country they are forbidden from invading to any semi-meaningful degree (due to nukes). Permenantly destroying data would be nice, sure, but service interruption is already such a huge win that it'd be a marginal improvement only, IMHO.

That is, unless there are cloud-native banks without backups, which... yikes! Possible, I suppose?

SXX
Russia started to very actively hit Ukraine datacanters a month ago. So everyone sane likely had some backups by now because they knew this is going to happen.
There's little difference between 1 hour and 48 hours when it comes to the amount of data in question here.
tokai
Backups don't matter at all if you can destroy the hardware. Yandex is not rebuilding this at meaningful price, and if they do Ukrainians just burn it down again.
nixass
Nebius Slack channels going wild now
They should consider withdrawing from Ukraine
Interesting to see this and the targeting of data centers in the Middle East. Its critical infrastructure and a hit gets the attacker a lot of bang for the buck in terms of economic damage.
From what I see, these are the "tit" part of the "tit for tat" strategy. Neither Ukraine, nor Iran targeted these in the beginning, however when other side started to escalate, both replied by attacking more critical infrastructure for the other party.
Ukraine has been at war for 4 years. They didn’t have the capability to hit Russia this hard and deep until fairly recently. These are mostly home grown weapons developed during the war.
That's true, however they don't use this capability like it's infinite. They only utilize this when Russia does something similar or plans of doing something similar leaks.

I'm not a fan of wars, regardless of where they happen. OTOH, I still believe you can fight relatively clean or be an unethical bully. If the war is unavoidable, I prefer to be the former.

I also commend Ukraine's ingenuity and bravery, as well.

Still not necessarily wise to voluntarily escalate an air war when you have very little air defence. But hey what do I know
dizhn
I heard from friends that a lot Ukraine's large distribution centers were also hit lately after Ukraine hit Russia's.

I haven't seen any site I frequent mention this once. The PR bubble is very real.

tokai
You frequent bad sites then. Don't make a conspiracy based on your own bad media consumption.
That's because it's nonsense. Russia has been targeting Ukrainian civilian logistics for years.
Am I the only one thinking just blurring the site is a little naive? It's relatively trivial to extrapolate the centers of the blobs from a blur. Pretty strange thing picking up a ticket to obfuscate your company's data centers on the map to protect them against drone attacks and then kind of just phoning it in
What are you referring to?
pi-rat
Imagine when something hits us-east-1 as part of the opening shot of a major future conflict..
binlog
If a foreign nation gets the capabilty to directly strike US soil we are way past worrying about us-east-1
someone go correlate whether this leads to a drop in bot/AI traffic.
I bet reddit and facebook are awfully quiet today.
breppp
Actually happened when internet went down in Iran
r721
One of the sources:

>Scottish independence accounts go dark after Iran internet blackout

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2026/01/12/scottish-ind...

lsofzz
slight drop - probably. i'd wager the drop in the ocean is because majority of the bot traffic are from it's cousins in China :>